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04/02/2019 at 5:19 pm #56883Angela CarterInactive Member
3/23/19: Hello Carol. I heard a cougar growl when I fist tuned in. I felt her to be very active and in need of lots of stimulus, along with ample sleep of course. there is a cat door yes? She says she loves going outside and loves sitting on the porch. I saw an image of a frog in the water. Do you have an outside fountain? I saw an image of eggs for some reason. Are there kids around, who play sports. is there a siamese cat? I saw an image of her playing in your bathroom on the counter. She says she loves the other cats and dogs. She said life is a theatre. She feels timid and likes to hide. She is always looking around corners. She says she loves all kinds of food. She says Carol is very creative and we help her stay grounded. Is there a blue plastic leash/cord contraption, like a leash pulls out from.
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04/03/2019 at 1:10 pm #56938Carol Schuyler (SKY ler)Inactive Member
Hi Angela,
Thank you for connecting with both Julie-Belle and her daughter, Janie-Kate. Maybe they can talk about their experiences with each other.
You have many observations about Janie-Kate, which I’ll try to address, but I know less about J-K (abbreviation for writing, not speaking) than any of the other indoor cats. She was born in a local shelter one April; I adopted her and her mother that August. But not together. The plea in the cat-of-the-week ad was to adopt the mother now that all her kittens had been adopted. Maybe J-K had been briefly, at the time of the ad, but when I got to the shelter a week or so later, J-K was back.
When I heard someone mention that Mrs. Higgins’s (J-B’s shelter name) last kitten was there, I offered to adopt her, too. The shelter director, though, said that Silver (J-K’s shelter name) was four months old and quite capable of being separated from her mother. Two days after I adopted J-B, I went back for J-K. The shelter helpers couldn’t find her until someone reminded them that Silver was probably hiding in the supply room. So, you’re right: J-K does hide whenever anyone comes to the house. Pet-sitters have never seen her. But J-B and she are devoted to each other; I never saw such joy as when I brought J-K to J-B who immediately began cradling and kissing her last kitten from tip of nose to tip of tail. J-K must take after her father except for her voice which is like J-B’s, but she isn’t chatty like J-B is.
Cougar? Eggs? Siamese? Leashes? A dog? I don’t know of any associations with J-K (or the other five indoor cats). The first summer we were here, 2015, there was a frog with a frog house and pan of water in the vegetable garden that J-K could possibly have seen from the screened porch.There is also a birdbath visible from the porch, though I have to start filling it again. Every few weeks, a neighbor has grandkids or kids living with their mothers visiting; fortunately, there’s not much noise or activity.
Yes, there is a pet door that leads to the 6×14 screened porch under the patio overhang. A main reason for buying this house was that door and the construction of the porch, so I could use the other patio door myself.
In our townhouse (another state), when I let the four cats I had then outside, Janie-Kate was especially active. The cats could run out the front door to the porch, around the side grass area, and in the back patio doors (or vice versa). I didn’t know how successful J-K was catching lizards until I had an old refrigerator removed and found about a dozen dead ones underneath. J-K was also successful catching birds, which she also brought into the house unharmed (the birds flew out the open doors, thank goodness, before getting lost upstairs). Once, J-K made an agile leap to catch a baby bird in the air and carry him/her to the front porch. I didn’t know who to feel sorrier for: the dying bird or J-K. This was probably the first bird she bit into, and she kept trying to clean her teeth.
Another example of J-K’s activity: Our (again, other state) second floor, indoor balcony had a wooden railing that, of course, all the cats had to try walking. Once J-K fell off that down to the first floor–apparently without harm; not even her mother seemed concerned. J-K also used to walk on the floor outside the railing, which was a very narrow strip to negotiate without falling off. She, like the other cats, jump and walk/sit/etc. on the bathroom and kitchen counters. Pretty much, she has claimed the den, including the cat tower, as her territory.
(Almost) all Carol does since she moved here is read; she does not appreciate being so grounded by the cats making so many messes.
Whenever you care to connect with Janie-Kate again, I’m eager to learn more about her.
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04/09/2019 at 2:03 pm #57169Angela CarterInactive Member
Hello Carol Thanks for the scoop on your wonderful kitty. I look forward to communicating with her again!
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04/15/2019 at 6:00 pm #57302Angela CarterInactive Member
4/11/19 After connecting with JB, I tuned in with JANIE KATE for a healing session. I heard that she is scared of being punished, scared of being hurt, scared of being in corner. I asked her, Do you know that you are safe now JK. “No.” I responded, I want you to know that you are safe to relax now into this healing session and that you are safe at home now; no one is coming to grab you; you live in a very protected loving space and your job is harmony relaxation play and to receive healing and love. I felt that she needed to express herself and cleanse some trauma of separation from her JB, in the beginning. She says she is ready to feel even more JOY. I see images of a hard floor, possibly the shelter she was in as kitten? She mentioned having a little fear about that time in shelter as well as of current pet sitters. I let her know that they were trustworthy and no need to fear. She says it is a relief to relax. She says her joints hurt a little and that she would like some gentle massage on her lower back. I asked her to allow healing energy to assist her. She received…
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04/16/2019 at 10:03 am #57309Carol Schuyler (SKY ler)Inactive Member
Thank you for reassuring and treating Janie-Kate. I can’t think of anyone scaring her in the previous home or this one because there’s only been me and three petsitters from whom she successfully hid (two of the sitters volunteer at shelters). Except for putting her in the carrier for vet visits, I wait for her to invite physical contact. When she rolls over on her back in front of me, it’s my cue to rub her belly and make a J-K sandwich with one hand on her front an another on her back and move a hand to cradle her head.
J-K joined the household at four months old and ignored me; she had her mother to herself finally instead of sharing her with other demanding kittens at the shelter or being separated from her if she had been in an unsatisfactory adoption.
Please ask her and let me know if I’ve upset her in any way. And if there’s a way I can improve her environment and her life (maybe even bring joy to her). While it is clear that Julie-Belle’s job in life is to be a best mother, I don’t know Janie-Kate’s. Maybe she’ll tell you?
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04/19/2019 at 8:16 pm #57341Angela CarterInactive Member
Hello Carol, I connected with Janie Kate last night and this afternoon. From last night: I asked JK what you could do to improve her environment and help her feel more joy etc. She says she wants her own private space 😉 and to be outside some. She expressed feelings of insecurity. I just listened to all she said and also gave some feedback and ideas for feeling completely at home and to trust that she is safe. She mentioned that she anticipates a new litter box near the front door?? away from other cats? and with curtains around, hmmm. She expressed feeling a little trapped and scared and this felt not associated with her actual experience with you, but from the past experience somehow, maybe in shelter. she says she feels more relaxed at night time and likes to be on the bed with carol sometimes? She says she wants more options, hmmm. From this afternoon: we “did” some reiki healing and I used some of Val’s techniques for relaxation and healing old fears stuck in the body. During the process she expressed holding it all together and fear of breaking apart. As the healing continued, I asked some questions, and she expressed the energy feeling sticky around her shoulders and other spots. I used the magic goo technique and more reiki etc. I saw images of bars — was she in a cage in shelter? I told her okay to hide if she ever needs to. I feel that this healing session was helpful for her. I felt a layer of anxiety and overwhelm in my heart and used the infinity eye pattern technique. I felt some playful energy at this point and we worked with a silver protection field around her. I do not know how many or if the conversation details held accuracy, but the healing aspect of our connection felt powerful and connected. Thanks for your beautiful kitty.
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04/20/2019 at 8:00 pm #57356Carol Schuyler (SKY ler)Inactive Member
A coincidence: I almost posted a question for you: What is Janie-Kate’s favorite room? Then your latest response arrived about J-K wanting her own private space. As Yossi has the storage room, J-K seems to have the den: most of the day she’s stretched on the curved, highest/fifth level of the cat tower where she can look out a pair of windows. Or she’s sitting straight up or crouched on the platform of another piece of cat furniture looking out the opposite pair of windows onto the back patio. Or she’s nestled in the cushions of the indoor-outdoor love seat or her favorite of the matching three wicker chairs. About two years ago, she had another favorite place: on a shelf in one of the master bedroom’s walk-in closets (closet pocket doors always open). If only I could have seen how she got up there! Our first night in the house, she went through the open door of the water heater closet and somehow jumped to the top of the water heater and then down to the floor. She cried all night for help but had to wait for morning when two strong guys came to pull the water heater away from the wall a bit so that she could escape–hours later because, of course, she fears strangers.
On our 1300-mile drive from St. George, Utah, to Waco, we had two overnights: she and the three other cats were perfect in Albuquerque, but in Abilene at a creepy motel (another story), she cried all night and got Raven, the male, upset so that he cried at intervals.
When we were a four-cat family, Janie-Kate used to sleep at the foot of the bed at night. During the day, she sometimes rested on my pillows at the head of the bed. With the addition of two Waco rescues, she tends to sleep in the den. she also tends not to join the other five cats in eating the canned food at lunchtime on the dining room table, so I empty a can on the plate after the others have finished. Of course, some of the other cats come back for more. I noticed that the cans that used to hold 2.8 ounces now hold 2.48 ounces.
Yes, I think there were cages at the old Ivins shelter, but many of the cats were free to wander around in the rooms. Hence, J-K sometimes hid in the supply room/closet.
J-K and some of the other cats may want to go outside–as they did for maybe two years in St. George. When I open the patio door (the one without the pet door) to feed the outside visiting cats, though, she tends to shy away from the door. It might be safe enough, but Shoshana did have some animal bite a back paw after three years of living safely outdoors.I suppose my anxiety level would be too high to let anyone out again. And if one cat is indoor-outdoor, they probably all would want to be.
Thank you for connecting with Janie-Kate and giving her various healings. I’m going to list them, so I can continue them with her.
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04/20/2019 at 8:09 pm #57357Carol Schuyler (SKY ler)Inactive Member
About the litter boxes, Angela. Maybe Janie-Kate is picking up that I intend to make changes: new boxes (though same design), new type of litter (Slide at first but then other types; we’ll have a popularity contest), and maybe placements in rooms other than the main bath. Possibly one could go in the den but not near the front door and sorry, Janie-Kate, none with curtains. I’ve never seen two kitties at the boxes at the same time, so they have privacy. I don’t: when I’m on the commode, they come to entertain me or to be entertained.
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04/21/2019 at 7:43 pm #57360Carol Schuyler (SKY ler)Inactive Member
Angela, again thank you for the treatments you’ve given Janie-Kate. For the almost twelve years she has lived with me (since August 2007), the only physical contact she has invited is when she rolls on her back on the floor for brief belly rubs and “sandwiches.” Today, when she was on a counter looking out the window, she came to to snuggle against me, alternately my chest and under my chin–for minutes at a time! You must have helped her release whatever negative experiences happened at the shelter and at the possible adoption home. Wow!
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04/22/2019 at 2:38 pm #57383Angela CarterInactive Member
Hello Carol and animals. Thank you for all the info., I will read through again before connecting in again soon with JK and JB … oh and Yossi! I am so happy to hear about this cuddle time and that our collective animal communication efforts are supporting her to open up more to receiving affection and connection!!
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04/22/2019 at 2:39 pm #57384Angela CarterInactive Member
and the commode story is making me laugh…so true …
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05/05/2019 at 6:49 pm #57897Angela CarterInactive Member
Hi Carol. How are things with Janie Kate? I tuned in the other morning, for a meditation outside in the forest. I had a visualization with me and JK and also you were there, sort of like an impromptu visualization that began without me intending … She was very receptive to healing energy and she was affectionate with me and then you appeared and she was allowing much affection and interaction. She felt joyful and receptive and I felt healing occurring. i had notes written, but cannot read them!
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05/06/2019 at 11:13 am #57910Carol Schuyler (SKY ler)Inactive Member
Hi Angela,
Thank you for checking in with Janie-Kate. She has continued affectionate since you treated her for the bad memories of the kennel and possible failed adoption.
You wrote that Yossi told you she was “an escape artist.” I confirmed how she climbed through a hole in the top of one of the porch screens–over and over again because she apparently found it fun. I’ve noticed her again looking at her escape venue but am reasonably confident the screen replacements will hold.
However, yesterday afternoon I was sitting at my laptop looking out the front picture window when I saw a slender black cat with gold eyes cross the street from my neighbor’s property onto mine, trot up my driveway, then sit on a grassy area under the Arizona ash tree. I called her name and she answered, then we made sounds back and forth (I couldn’t send or receive a message about how she got out or where she’d been).
Though this was her first escape since the porch was fixed, I had other business to do and so didn’t carry her inside. I had gone in and out of the house and figured she’d slipped out one of those times. Major surprise for me when an hour or more later, I saw her sitting on a table inside the porch! How could she have gotten back in? I’ve checked that porch inside and out and can’t see any opening. This morning, neither Yossi nor Shoshana were at breakfast, and I wonder if they were out wandering. I was busy with bringing stuff from the yard into the garage so that a landscaper could mow.
I’ll keep you updated on that trickster, Yossi!
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05/07/2019 at 2:25 pm #57942Carol Schuyler (SKY ler)Inactive Member
Quick update on Yossi as “escape artist”: she is that but not because of the recent incident. I saw the cat eating on the back patio (leftovers from Clooney’s breakfast) and went out to bring her in, but the cat ran away. I called to Yossi, and she answered from the screened porch. So I guess the cat on the patio is a new guest who looks like Yossi’s sibling. On a “missing cat” webpage, I’d seen “Juliet” who went missing in January 2016. I emailed and called the guardian who lives a few blocks from me. “Yossi’ couldn’t be “Juliet” because the guardian and I both had the same-looking cat spayed and microchipped. As for a cat dialoguing with me, I guess the stranger turned around but Yossi answered from the porch less than 10 feet away. Best to you and yours!
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05/07/2019 at 5:32 pm #57945Angela CarterInactive Member
Ha! This makes me laugh. And I am happy to hear of continued affection with JK!
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07/11/2019 at 8:10 pm #59670Angela CarterInactive Member
Hi Carol xo How is your relationship with Janie-Kate going?
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07/11/2019 at 9:18 pm #59676Carol Schuyler (SKY ler)Inactive Member
Hi Angela,
Sorry I have to report that my relationship with the mother and daughter has never been worse. It was the best with Janie-Kate after you cleared the problem in her past. But a month or so later, even I don’t know what-all happened and I’ve been rather absent from them escaping through reading.
There were flea infestation, steroid shots, and flea collars, which must be strange and inconvenient; Shoshana cat’s illness and death within three days in the house; the remaining cats choosing to live in the kitchen; and Julie-Belle and Janie-Kate’s peeing and pooing, mostly on kitchen counters and in the kitchen sink though also in other unsuitable places. Julie-Belle since adoption in August 2007 had been pooing outside the litter box on the bathroom or living room floors, but Janie-Kate had always used the boxes.
I’m considering making them outdoor cats whom I feed. There is over a third acre (not much by your standards) and a two-car garage (one car inside) with an always open overhead door if they want shelter.
I don’t like the person I’ve become with them always shrieking Use the litter boxes! as I clean up their messes. I don’t like them anymore. I’ll do a thorough house cleaning (has to be gradual because it’s tiring and boring) and try to connect to hear their side. But after a month or so, I expect I’ll put them out so they can acclimate for our mild winters and maybe make friends with Rosalie, an outdoor feral cat who has come for food since January 2018.
I won’t ask you to talk with Janie-Kate again to find out why she and her mother are misbehaving because I can’t pay you what you deserved after your talk about J-K about the shelter. There have been heavy expenses for emergency repairs to the house and for vets and flea treatments for the cats. No more money for those ingrates!
Thank you for asking. Thank you for reading. Best to you and your pets! ~Carol
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07/29/2019 at 12:13 pm #60789Angela CarterInactive Member
Hi Carol xo. I connected with JK several weeks ago after this post, but my internet time is logically challenging and non-existent in moments due to heavy tourist influx taking our town’s internet and library seats! I unfortunately cannot locate that conversation but will look. I do remember having a frank and happy conversation with JK about the reality of going outside and why and all the benefits for everyone. She seemed receptive and eager actually. We also communicated about how relations could drastically improve and open the opportunity for healing and serenity, once the outdoor situation got settled and everyone adapted, and that anything may be possible after that. I will look for that conversation to share more on that!
Fast forward to last week, here is a communication with JK:“I feel challenged. My frog shamanic helper whispers words of power to JK. Frog is one of my shamanic helpers that appears sometimes and for me in represents being receptive to ones own inner power projecting out. I then see an Image of you (Carol) pulling your hair out and Jk looking freaked out. JK and I talked in depth about her letting go of this energy and getting to her own inner self so that she can be her self and you can do you. I felt a little shift here and then Reiki session. I then imagined/witnessed/experienced JK receiving the reiki and giving to you (carol)… calmly she put her paws on your face and then on your legs. she then said “Ok with outside prefer out this point … and i get message that this will simultaneously initiate a peaceful exchange.
I will connect in in the next few days to get an update with JK. Much love Carol, Angela
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07/29/2019 at 3:28 pm #60796Carol Schuyler (SKY ler)Inactive Member
Hello Angela,
Thank you for continuing with Janie-Kate. It is reassuring that she and her mother, Julie-Belle, may prefer living outdoors for the foreseeable future. So far (two weeks into the change), they haven’t gone off the property (a worry considering Pamela’s Jax on FB) and haven’t met Rosalie, the timid and gentle feral cat who comes to the front door. They stay in the back and only come to the front when I’m doing yard work there. JB and JK call during the daytime (no longer at night) for food; if they’re calling to come in, those calls are indistinguishable from calls for food. It seems they want to rush inside when I bring meals outside, though.
How thoughtful of JK to administer Reiki–and of you to send it and love! Oh, I am freaked out by this year’s events. Many decades ago, I read a life has major changes every nine years. So I’m 72 turning 73 in October, and this eighth change has been rocky.
What a change in climate to move from Moab to Alaska–dry to wet, hot to cold. It’s surprising that there are so many tourists, though it shouldn’t be when there are so many tours advertised. I see hardly any Alaska license tags here in Waco (central Texas); there were considerably more when I lived in St. George, UT.
Best to you, your pets, your business, your spiritual journey. ~Carol
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07/29/2019 at 9:31 pm #60810Angela CarterInactive Member
Happy they are safe and hope your household feels a little calmer. Thank you for your well wishes and blessings. May the force be with you … in your current cycle of transformation! Hang in there xo is this Saturn return(s) that you speak of or something else?
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07/30/2019 at 9:20 am #60835Carol Schuyler (SKY ler)Inactive Member
The nine-year cycle? It’s something I read or heard about in the early 1970s, and I don’t remember anything more than that. I didn’t even remember “nine-year cycle” until yesterday when I wondered if the year’s craziness was entirely my fault.
Have you experienced nine-year life cycles? While I’ve had major moves almost every decade, they don’t follow that pattern, so I don’t know why I thought of it.
Janie-Kate can scream when she’s upset, as she was when she didn’t like a motel we stayed at one night (and howled that whole night) and when she jumped behind a water heater and couldn’t get back out. So I am encouraged that her calls thus far have only been like the ones she made as an inside cat for food.
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10/29/2019 at 11:53 pm #66089Chigusa SansenPlatinum Member
Hello Carol,
I connected with Janie-Kate tonight. I was scanning through the ATH page and somehow was drawn to Janie-Kate. Looks like she has had a lot of conversation. I didn’t read them partly because they were so much! LOLShe immediately showed her clawing something. A gesture that looks like digging but it is on an object like playing with it. She showed me her curiosity about things. She also showed me sort of clinging to you as she cuddles. It is sort of weird to call it cuddling, clinging is a good word for it than cuddling. She was showing me that she has her nails out so when you want her off, she tries to continue clinging to you. I asked her why she does that and she showed herself as a small kitty, still with her mom, but someone had taken her from her mom. She just wishes that she had her nails out because she feels that would have prevented whoever took her from taking her. She was the first one in the litter to be taken away and she showed me the remaining litters still with their mom. So she felt completely alone being taken from her family in this situation and she sort of blames herself for that happening. She still had this mentality when she ended up living with you. But now she is attached to you and whenever she is removed from you, she re-visits this image of her being taken away from her mom. She says “don’t take me out.”
I wanted to tell her that she won’t be taken out but I cannot promise what I do not know, so let me know if I can guarantee that to her. I’ve learned a lesson a while ago never to make a promise I cannot keep with animals because they are very literal that way.
I connected to her energy to see if there is anything she wants to show me health-wise. The energy of her bottom half was very weak, so I gave her reiki energy. Very interestingly (this is the first time this happened), she ballooned up to be almost too much energy very quickly. And she showed me going back and forth from lack of energy to full of energy like balloon blowing up and shrinking. Does she have a weight issue or something with the digestive system issue like gas? I also picked up pain on her tail but that went away as I was giving her energy.
As I was saying thank you for the communication, she sent me energy back in the form of love. It was very nice and no other animal has done this to me this way. I needed it!
I remembered we had an assignment from Master class to ask animals about ghosts so I asked Janie-Kate if she has seen a ghost. She seemed startled a bit by this question. For one, I think she thought I was done so my coming back with one more question was surprising as well as the question I asked. Seems she hasn’t been asked this but she was surprised I even ask it because they are everywhere. Almost like me asking someone “have you seen trees?” type of reaction. She says it is like a wind, they come and go. They are not harmful. At least the ones she sees around where she is, that is. She just tells me that “they come and go, come and go” and showed me an image of a wind blowing and making the tree make a swooshing sound. They sound almost pleasant to be around! 🙂
As I was proof reading the message, it occurred to me that the energy getting big/small like balloon could also indicate her confidence going back and forth that being the 2nd chakra area. So I went back to Janie-Kate one more time and asked her if I could talk with her master self. Her cat self was sleeping and sort of done with my coming back several times (sorry!) and didn’t want to be bothered, but she told me to go ahead since she is not involved in this part of the conversation anyway. So I connected with her higher self. Her higher self is has a beautiful deeper blue energy around her, very healing. I asked her what this balloon getting big and small mean? She tells me that this is because Janie-Kate has a leak in her energy due to her confidence issue. So she gets very energetic when she is feeling confident but becomes small when she is not. The way to plug this leak is to work on her confidence issue. I didn’t go deep on that but if this part of the message resonate, I would like to see if I can help. Let me know!
Thank you so much for offering Janie-Kate in the ATH!
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10/30/2019 at 3:28 pm #66135Carol Schuyler (SKY ler)Inactive Member
Hello Chigusa,
Thank you for your post about Janie-Kate. I’ll respond to your impressions, but first this explanation. Maybe because of the sudden death of one of the six-cat clowder in May, or of a first-time flea infestation, or of my general unease this year, Janie-Kate and her mother, Julie-Belle, started peeing and pooing in unappropriate places in the living-dining room, the kitchen, the storage room, and worst of all, on my books. Actually, it was only JK who climbed six crates high to dump on the books and let the pee drip from the top crate to the lower ones.
Because of the damage, I put the mother and daughter outside to live, feeding and watering them twice a day. The patio offered shade, sun, breezes, and indoor-outdoor furniture. After about six weeks, JB wandered away. About ten days later, JK did also. I saw her a few weeks later when she ran up the front walk, ate the food I had just put out for a feral cat, and then ran off again. I don’t know where or how they are, and I haven’t tried to contact them. I hope they’re comfortable and well-behaved in another home; I don’t want them to return here.
Their background: In 2007, JB was picked up by Animal Control in Ivins, Utah (extreme southwest corner of the state), and taken to a shelter where she had her kittens, including JK, in April. In August, I adopted both. Because JB was a dedicated mother to all the kittens at the shelter that spring and summer, JK may have felt somewhat neglected. You commented on her confidence issue: she tended to hide in the storage room where a staff member found her, the last of the JB’s kittens to be adopted. The mother and daughter were close for the next twelve years, so I was surprised that they did not venture from the patio together. JK did not cuddle or cling to me; she was close only with her mother. Angela wrote earlier what she thought JK’s experience at the shelter may have been like, and that seems plausible.
Thank you for giving her Reiki, and how charming of her to send you love in return! At fourteen pounds, JK was the largest cat here and must have taken after her father. She was not, however, overweight and did not have any health issues that I or a vet noticed.
The early months of this year, Shoshana (another cat) started to cry and call out day and night for no apparent reason to me. Val thinks she heard spirits outside communicating with her, and she thought Shoshana was trying to tell me about them. JK could have been aware of them, too, but ignored them because, as Val said, they did not have messages for her but only for Shoshana.
Interesting that you talked to JK’s higher self as well as to her cat self.
I was surprised and so sorry to read on FB last week that Mig had passed. You’ve been soulmates. It was fun reading about your projects (e.g., something about identifying smells) when she was the FAT. I hope you grow even closer with new adventures. ~Carol
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11/01/2019 at 5:17 pm #66292Angela CarterInactive Member
Dear Carol, I communicated a couple of times with JK this last week of October. I just read Chigusas share and your response, so I am curious to see how my communications can fit in, since they are no longer with you, currently. Here is my conversation with JK a few evenings ago: I asked JK where she was. She said she was looking inside a window from a tree outside. She continued to say she was near a yellow orange decoration hanging from trees. I wrote down that JK and I had big time negotiations as opposed to Mind Control, like Val had coached us to avoid, or think that we are doing! I think our negotiations were about her being inside some but not peeing, and how to create a win win. Next, I asked JK is she was scared. She says sometimes she gets scared and I asked her what she was scared of. She said “everything, noisy people, cats, everything is frantic.” I ask her where her safe space is. She says “a warm spot behind a garage can outside or a spot on a roof but not a tall roof.” i asked if she had an inside safe spot. She said “a garage, but, otherwise, i don’t like being in there.” Here is another conversation I had with JK, that I think preceded the last conversation: I asked if she saw high vibrational spirits in the corners. She said “we all do, they are waiting for Carol to see.” She went on to tell me, “we have hesitation in growing closer because she is torn because we don’t behave like she wants but we are pretty content.” Are you living outside JK, i ask. She said “its been a challenging going for us, yes outside, but inside some in a garage or on a car, it’s a brown car.” I asked if Carol is her friend. She said “Yes, but she forgets sometimes.” “Sometimes I have pain of being forgotten and I go back into the trauma.I am pretty wild now.” Are you inside right now JK? “I’d like to be” she said. She then said, “I’d like my litter at a higher elevation and around corners, with no odor, no clay stuff with the strong smell.” We negotiated a little and I asked her if she could let you know that she is loved and to just put her paw gently on you. She said “oh yes.” She then said, “and I do love my place.” “I prefer to be inside and then outside to see around my territory. I get bored inside all the time.” Do you have a cat door I asked her. “yes its a blessing.” I asked her how her relationship was with you. She said, “tentative, still stressed, sad, anxious, I see chaos.” i brought up the unhealthiness for carol of peeing/pooping outside litter box and how stressful that is for her and it adds to the chaos. She said “it’s toxic for her.” Um yes I said. “I want to be safe, I will try,” she said.
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11/02/2019 at 10:53 am #66329Carol Schuyler (SKY ler)Inactive Member
Hi Angela,
It was heartening that Janie-Kate used “us” because I hope it means that she and Julie-Belle are together.
There aren’t any houses, cars, open garages (except mine because of the broken overhead doors), or noisy situations on this block and the next block down of this street; I don’t know about parallel streets. All of the houses are one-story usually with hip-style roofs. The only outside cat I’m aware of is Rosalie, the one who ran away from my front porch when JK came bounding up the walk that one time. (The large orange male who visited here for months was reported on Nextdoor at another location a few blocks away.) Rosalie looks in the picture and one side window of the living-dining room and in the windows and door of the patio; there isn’t a tree from which a cat could sit and look inside.
For twelve years, JK used the litter boxes even though her mother pooed outside them daily. Then came this spring’s out-of-box behavior: I still have visions of feces and urine on kitchen counters, in the kitchen sink, on shelves where she’d knocked decorations to the floor, and especially in the top crates of stacks of six crates with books ruined all the way down by the flow. Oh yes, there was no clay litter in those places. And oh yes, I am still freaking out and furious.
After the flea infestation, I’m more determined than ever not to have indoor-outdoor cats–though all the cats were indoor-only. Maybe they came in from the screened porch or maybe I carried them in from the lawn. The cat door is from the laundry nook to that porch, not to the outside.
I do understand how boring it can be for an indoor cat, which is why I got Shoshana, the ex-feral kitten, vaccinated for feline leukemia. She’d had so many outdoor activities for three years before her paw injury/attack by some animal when she came inside and stayed. This spring, one year later, I often felt she yearned to be outside part-time, and so got her vaccinated for safety (which likely led to her sudden death).
I’m sorry if JK is now deciding she’d like to be indoors at least part-time, and I hope someone can accommodate her. If she shows up here, she’ll get kibble, not canned food as before. Though she had never lived outside, she may have observed Shoshana and Yossie-Yael outside and may have heard stories from them or from her mother’s time outside before I adopted the pair in August 2007. She could have learned from them to be grateful to be safer, if bored, inside.
Best to you, Mama Kitty, Ezla, and your other companions. ~Carol
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11/02/2019 at 7:26 pm #66353Angela CarterInactive Member
Thank you Carol. Yeah that would be just too much, the feces/urine. I understand. I believe they will both thrive and make a new life! And do things feel better now for you without that struggle? Love, Angela
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11/03/2019 at 11:07 am #66386Carol Schuyler (SKY ler)Inactive Member
Life is definitely easier knowing I won’t encounter a pile of shit in an unexpected place. Maybe someday I’ll even forget where the piles were and eat something besides heated frozen food (the refrigerator and the microwave beside it were unpolluted). But I have lost a big chunk of my identity in the past two years as a benevolent guardian to six homeless cats that seemed assigned to me by Providence and to wild birds (until mourning doves knocked down the feeders), squirrels (until sunflower seeds they didn’t eat grew up in the lawn), and raccoons and opossums (until I feared they might come inside as one did to my next-door neighbor). And as a flower and vegetable gardener until Waco had two summers of “extreme droughts” (only two places in the state were in that category). So much time, energy, and money gone!
Thank you for your interest in Julie-Belle, Janie-Kate, and Yossie-Yael in the ATH (especially when your work keeps you over-busy). You were accurate on so many points. When I’m feeling better (mobility problem), I’ll drive around and notice if what you described corresponds to JK’s current habitat.
I hope you and yours stay safe and warm. ~Carol
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11/03/2019 at 4:39 pm #66400Angela CarterInactive Member
🙂
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